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I got an email from an ex-Muslim named Wissam, who just came out to his Muslim girlfriend and got dumped as a result. After giving it some thought, however, she decided to give him a shot…at deconverting her. And he must really care about her, because he’s taking a crack at it. He needs some help in figuring out some solid arguments to use when he talks to her.
Lets help the guy out, eh? I may be a total bastard, but deep down, I’m a sucker for happy endings.
This is your chance to get it all out there. What arguments helped deconvert you? What is the most glaringly obvious thing in the Quran that could be used to plant the seed of doubt?
You can read Wissam’s original post here. Comment away!
Yup. Saturdays are bitchy rant time. Only this time, it’s not me doing the ranting.
If you’ve been following along in the comments sections of the past few posts, you’ve probably seen the novel-length comments left by a Muslim named Nissa. She* went through and dive-bombed a bunch of posts with her Muslim take on things (ie “You’re wrong, God is right.”), but I published only 2 of the 9 comments she made. Why? Because she’s commenting on posts from 3 months ago. Nobody’s tracked those comments in, well, 3 months. What’s the point?
Either way, a few people got a kick out of the published comments and asked me to publish the mysterious “other” comments for their entertainment. Happy to oblige! I took screen grabs of her posts from my spam box. The only changes I’ve made have been to black out the email & IP addresses.
* I’m assuming Nissa is a female since I’ve never met a boy named Nissa in all my life.
Here’s what old Nissa had to say about the second post from chapter 2 (Women suck. And Jews suck, too.). Remember that from way back in July?
This one is from chapter 2, part 3 (Oooh heaven is a place on earth.):
Chapter 2, part 4 (The cow in question, plus other Quranic silliness.):
I know I said I wasn’t ranting in this one, but I can’t keep my mouth shut. She had to go and drag coffee into it. First off — I am nobody’s servant. So I have a hard time tracking that don’t-ask-questions line of thought. And I dunno where Nissa orders her coffee, but here’s how it plays out at the places I go.
What would you like?
– Large….extra large. Wait, do you have anything bigger than extra large? OK, fine, I’ll just take the large and come back in an hour for a refill.
You want milk in that?
Whole? Skim? Cream? Half & half?
– Surprise me!
How about sugar?
– Packet of Splenda, pleaseandthankyou.
There is no if-you-say-jump-I-say-how-high in my life. There are conversations. Exchanges. So maybe I just don’t get it.
Also, if I had a secretary, I wouldn’t ask him to get coffee for me. And I wouldn’t call him a secretary either. That’s so 1950s. Maybe this is just in the area I live, but if you asked an administrative assistant to fetch you a cup of coffee, he’d throw a piping hot cup of it all over your face. And if he didn’t, I’d do it for him.
And since we’re talking about bosses and coffee, I might as well share this. On a few occasions when I’ve had to work superlate, my boss has gone out to get me coffee. He even remembered the Splenda, because he’s awesome like that. Boy, I really don’t know where I was going with any of that. I just get a little defensive when coffee gets dragged into it.
Lets move on to the comment from chapter 4, part 1 (A scientific miracle in the Quran. Not.):
And chapter 4, part 2 (Mohammed’s Wager?):
(Note: on the occasions that I “dig” in the hadith to find details about things, I get angry emails from Muslims saying I’m obviously using the wrong hadith. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.)
(Note: suddenly the hadith aren’t so convenient, are they? They describe Mohammed sucking on a kid’s tongue. One more time? Sucking. Kid’s. Tongue. My grandpa gave me plenty of kisses, but, um, he kept his tongue out of it. Just sayin’.)
And, even though Nissa does not wish to post any further:
Well, shit, now that I see it written in all caps, I believe it!
Yiish. I tried my best to keep my comments to a minimum, but it’s hard. It’s really hard. Now it’s your turn. All of you who asked me to post the comments — have a field day. Comment away!
Our friends at the Atheist Experience recently got an email from a viewer that got my old wheels turning. Saki wanted to know the best way to approach a certain argument that some Muslims pull out as evidence of their God being cooler than your God. Or your non-God, in this case. Russell Glasser thought I’d like to take a crack at it, and he was right. (Thanks for the forward, Russell!)
From Saki’s email:
ok, i realize that you probably don’t do this sorta thing, but i’m getting really really ticked of over this one god damned (pardon the pun) argument that keeps popping up that i’ve been having to put to rest a good ten to fifteen times now… someone or the other quotes something from their holy book and goes “well this refers to this scientific discovery that wasn’t made until recently. How could people from the 7th century possibly know that?”
Hey, it’s the return of the Quranic scientific miracle! We got into this a little back in chapter 4, but it’s definitely worth discussing on its own. The exact argument that Saki is referring to is laid out in detail at this site. You can read it in full there.
Here’s the 10 second run down for all you lazy bastards out there: the Quran describes embryology in vivid detail which Mohammed’s 7th century local yokels couldn’t possibly have known about. The Quran wins! May Allah have mercy on you silly assholes.
Lets jump in and do it to it.