KafirGirl

We read the Quran so you don’t have to.

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Who are you?

I’m Kafir Girl, your everyday Pakistani American ex-Muslim twenty-something atheist.  How’s that for a mouthful?

What does kafir mean?

Kafir is the Arabic word for infidel or unbeliever.  It literally translates to rejecter or ingrate.  Check out the Wikipedia entry for more info.

What are you doing?

I’m reading the Quran in English from cover to cover for the first time ever.  And I’m blogging all about it.

Why are you doing this?

There are so many reasons.  Here are a few:

1. I’m a glutton for punishment.

2. I grew up in a Muslim household, and it’s important for me to understand how so many people (including my own family) can be duped by this religion.

3. I think Islam escapes a lot of the scrutiny that the Bible gets, and that’s really unfortunate, because it’s just as fucked up as Christianity and Judaism are.

4. I was really inspired by the guys who do The Non-Prophets podcast and The Atheist Experience TV show.  (If you haven’t heard of either, definitely check them out.)  These guys know the Bible better than most of the Bible thumpers who call in to the show.  Know thy enemy, right?  That’s what I’m trying to do.  I thought I’d start with the Quran since it’s the one that hits closest to home.

What translation are you reading?  Why’d you pick that one?

Al-Qur’an, A Contemporary Translation by Ahmed Ali.  There’s no real reason why I picked this translation over all the others, except that I had to buy it for a History of Islam college course, and it’s been sitting around on my bookshelf for years. I refuse to pay for a Quran, so this is the version I’m using. (I also refuse to pay for the Bible and any other “holy” book.)

When and why did you become an atheist?

It’s a long story.  So long, in fact, that I gave it its own page.  Check it out here.

Where are you from?  Where do you live now?

My parents are from Pakistan.  I’ve lived in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and the United States.  I live in the U.S. now.

Why are you picking on Islam?

I’m not picking on Islam — I’m studying it.  Like most Muslims, I’ve read the book in Arabic several times, which didn’t really do much for me as I’m not an Arabic speaker.  A lot of people have no idea what exactly is in the Quran, but they believe in it anyway.  They’ll swallow whatever their imam / parents / peers tell them to believe.  I’m reading the book for myself, and I’m reading it in a language I understand.
P.S. Suck it up, Muslims.  If your religion is the true and infallible word of God, a little scrutiny should be of no consequence, right?

What do your parents think about your views now?

Once they realized I was “straying away” from the religion, my parents tried their damnedest to guilt me into praying.  Obviously that didn’t work.  I couldn’t really talk to my parents about being an atheist because things got tense quickly.  I’ve just now gotten to the point where I can joke about it a little with my mom  — she feels that as long as I’m happy, it’s all that matters.  My dad, on the other hand, is in denial.  He once said, “The worst mistake I ever made was teaching you to think.”  I don’t think he’ll be joking about God anytime soon.

Are you making a point of remaining anonymous? How afraid are you of being attacked in some way?

The reason for my anonymity is that I am definitely concerned about my safety, and to an even greater extent, the safety of my husband and my parents.  Being an apostate of Islam is a dangerous thing. I’m not really afraid of being attacked (and anyone who tries should be aware that I’m, like, 6’9″ and 900 lbs of pure muscle). I’m more afraid of damaging my relationship with my family. I don’t want to see them ostracized from their community or shunned by their friends because of my disbelief. It happens. Maybe some day we’ll live in a world where I won’t have to hide behind a pseudonym to speak my mind, but until then, I’m Kafir Girl.

Why do you use profanities?  It’s really disrespectful.

You say tomato, I say go fuck yourself.  Words are words.  Get over it.  I write the way I talk.  If that’s not OK with you, there’s plenty of other shit to read online.

Is there a comment policy?

Yup.  You can find it here.

Written by kafirgirl

July 3, 2008 at 2:02 pm

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  1. Girl you are hot, hope to get to see more of you before we meet in hell. Love your writing style.
    Anyways, I came here to suggest- could you re-layout your blog so that it is one post per page?, its easier to read that way. Especially when any new visitor would want to read the whole experience in the chronological order.

    Aks

    July 13, 2008 at 11:05 am

  2. Aww shiz, thank you Aks. High five! And thank you for the suggestion. It’s something I’ve been meaning to do, but I’m pretty new to WordPress and I’m still getting used to their set up. You lit a fire under my ass to learn how. Hope it’s easier to follow now.

    kafirgirl

    July 13, 2008 at 2:57 pm

  3. I wanted to drop a line, and thank you for this blog. This has given me the impetus to crack open my Koran (not opened since first year world religion), and examine what it has to say. As an atheist philosophy student, specializing in religious issues, this seems like a requisite.

    I’ll be following along with you in my Penguin Classics ed., and hope I can contribute with you in the comments.

    Thanks again, this is such a great idea!!!

    Benocrates

    July 13, 2008 at 7:03 pm

  4. Hey Benocrates! I’ve never seen the Penguin Classics edition. Is it fairly easy to read? I know a lot of them are riddled with verily and thou, language that makes it really hard for me to maintain my motivation to read. Same with the Bible. Yiish.

    kafirgirl

    July 14, 2008 at 6:24 pm

  5. Is there any way of subscribing so that I know when you’ve made a new post?

    Have you considered working as part of Freedom Faith International? Perhaps contributing towards wikiIslam?

    Bob

    July 15, 2008 at 11:07 am

  6. Hi Bob! You’ll have to add me to your live bookmarks. See at the top of the page, right hand corner, where it says:

    Feed on X Posts X Comments

    Click on Posts, and it should give you the option of subscribing. I’m a Mac person, though, so I have no idea if it’s the same on PCs. Let me know if it does the trick.

    Not really sure if I’ll end up working with other sites or not, but right now, I’ve got my hands full with the Quran. When I’m done with this sucker, who knows? BTW, I never realized there’s a wikiIslam. Thank you for the link!

    kafirgirl

    July 15, 2008 at 12:06 pm

  7. ..an aside

    …if possible, fix the timestamp for your blog…its set to GMT, I believe….Thanks.

    sista

    July 16, 2008 at 10:47 am

  8. Yeeeeah, I tried to figure that out the other day and made no headway. Still new to WordPress. I think I have it now. Maybe.

    Thanks for lighting a fire under my ass, Sista.

    kafirgirl

    July 16, 2008 at 10:58 am

  9. Kafirgirl,

    I want to commend you on your writing and your bravery, and to thank you for your efforts.

    Take care!

    Jeff Flowers

    July 17, 2008 at 12:24 pm

  10. Hi Jeff! Thank you, sir. Hope you keep reading!

    kafirgirl

    July 17, 2008 at 4:21 pm

  11. I like the blog, especially your writing style. I’ll be saddened if you don’t get through the whole book.

    Peter

    July 18, 2008 at 3:57 am

  12. Hi, Peter. Thank you! There’s some serious doubt going around on a lot of blogs that link here: they like what I’m doing, but they don’t think I’ll be able to stomach it to the end. I have every intention of finishing this book off, and knowing that some people think I won’t be able to do it only makes me want to do it more!

    ….but not till after I’ve had my morning coffee. Nom nom nom.

    kafirgirl

    July 18, 2008 at 7:44 am

  13. Really, really terrific idea (reading the Koran and blogging about it). Thanks for doing it.

    apostate

    July 19, 2008 at 10:29 pm

  14. Thanks, Apostate. I wouldn’t say it’s fun, but I’m definitely learning a lot. Feel free to chime in with your own experiences and stories. I know you grew up in Saudi Arabia, so I’m sure your background is pretty different from my own. Would love to hear more about it.

    kafirgirl

    July 20, 2008 at 3:38 pm

  15. Mrs,
    I have been reading your blog. It is something that I couldn’t find in Belgium, albeit I think we need something like it. As I can’t write it directly the way you do (maybe I’m not angry enough, I’m always afraid to hurt other people’s feelings) I would like to ask you if you would object to me creating a blog of my own, but more or less modelled after yours, only written in Dutch. You can contact me on kafirmeisje@gmail.com (with meisje being dutch for girl, obviously). I know it’s a bit a strange question, but I can’t write myself directly in your style, and I see something like this is needed.

    H.C.

    July 28, 2008 at 10:22 am

  16. Hi HC, thank you for offering, but I’m not really comfortable with that idea. I would urge you to find your own voice and write in your own style, regardless of what critics may think of it. Maybe some day I’ll figure out a way to make the writing available in other languages. For now, I think/hope English will suffice.

    kafirgirl

    July 28, 2008 at 11:06 am

  17. Keep up the good work!

    I just finished a couple of months ago going through and hand-annotating one of my versions of the Koran that I have in my room.

    [I ended up using a hardback version that I got for free from the Muslim Student Association at my school.

    It’s distributed by the Islamic Charity Foundation (lists two sites: http://www.icfoundation.com and http://www.islamway.com) and it’s translated by

    Muhammad Tai-ud-Din al-Hilali
    and
    Muhammad Muhsin Khan

    and looks like it was printed for/in Saudi Arabia… interesting. I also own Yusuf Ali, and Dawood translations.]

    It’s a hell of a slog to get through… it looks like you’re going in order? That’s rough… I had a little spreadsheet and read the surahs in a somewhat random manner, it helped to feel like I was making progress to check off another chapter, even if it was one of the shorter ones.

    I think that this is a worthwhile project that you’re doing, so just giving you a bit of encouragement to keep going!

    A Thinking BUM

    August 3, 2008 at 2:18 am

  18. Hi A Thinking Bum! Woah, congrats on finishing that sucker. It’s a pain in the ass, huh? I’m really looking forward to when the chapters get shorter — fortune cookie length, as one commenter said. Thank you for the encouragement. And please jump in with your insights. Would love to get your take on things.

    kafirgirl

    August 3, 2008 at 10:10 am

  19. Just saw that. Fuckin’ A.

    kafirgirl

    August 6, 2008 at 2:48 pm

  20. Isn’t love the sweetest thing.
    This big happy family just melts my heart.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7547148.stm

    Fookala

    August 8, 2008 at 6:53 am

  21. I love it. I started the same project – for Christianity – about 12 years ago and it is still going strong.

    It’s funny… I get e-mails from Christians all of the time asking me to do the same treatment that I did to the Bible, but to the Quran. Now, thanks to your excellent website, I don’t have to. I’ll just direct those morons here. :)

    Thank you. I really enjoyed what I have read so far. Do drop by and see if you find my site equally good. Perhaps we could go in on a joint-project of some sort…

    Take care,
    -Sam

    Sam Gibson

    August 11, 2008 at 3:34 pm

  22. When used as an adjective, as in your “Who are you?” section, “everyday” is one word. Everyday people do everyday things, and they do them every day. ;-)

    I’m enjoying your site so far. Keep it up!

    grammar nazi

    August 15, 2008 at 8:40 am

  23. OMG teh grammah polees gonna get meh!

    Giggle. Thanks GN. I’ll change it.

    kafirgirl

    August 15, 2008 at 8:47 am

  24. OMG

    This is my new favorite website!

    My 2nd favorite is

    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

    Can I marry you?

    Kaffir boy in London

    derek

    August 15, 2008 at 2:07 pm

  25. Nice blog.

    Just wanted to say kudos to you for your having broken free from the mind control of your religious upbringing, and for your courage.

    Keep up the good work. Dog bless ya!
    Hump

    dromedaryhump

    August 16, 2008 at 8:00 pm

  26. Thanks dromedaryhump! Glad you’re enjoying it so far!

    kafirgirl

    August 17, 2008 at 2:19 am

  27. kafir GIRL; why you did not approve my little poem which simply quoted the present civilization. you have assumed all strengeth to denounce islam/quran being illogocal and perverse to basic human rights? then: there was no question to feel shaky for my little expression which over all appreciated the present woman emnacipation in as much as for tiolet wash the woman;s pictures are displayed and free sex concept concieved the present society to have sex relationship between father and daughter{refer recent case of astria} what a beatiful society away from the horror of religion. thanks

    mohmood

    August 21, 2008 at 11:35 pm

  28. Listen, you creep, I didn’t approve your little poem about father-daughter incest because it was fucking disgusting. And Austria, by the way, has a Christian majority. Only 8% of the population has no religion. 92% believes in God and religion. So your little portrayal of a godless civilization is totally off base.

    kafirgirl

    August 21, 2008 at 11:49 pm

  29. thanks for abusing. i knew you have no other recourse but to abuse me. still being little patient you can wonder where I was wrong. the society concievable on reason and rationale away from biogtry books renders one to believe that you carve for the society where including other freedoms the concept of free sex ought to be there.this is of course; converse of woman subjugation. surprisingly; your woman emancipation also includes her display on toilet washs to make marketting attractive.over all to materailse the concept of woman just sex object with different tastes and capacities should least offend you.yet; being the follower of “:critical thinking” ageing frustrates that emancipation and it never provokes you to laughter as did the quranic verse that the present civilised system confine old parents in age old homes.what a progressive thought compared to bigotry books which teach that old parents need love and care irrespective of their creeds.since; you must have no hesitation to accept that your ancesstry statrs from the period of prophet Noah; which; ancestry was doomed to collective destruction together with other communities of your ancesstry in sanai penusuila duly recorded in history.However; such destructions are treated by your freternety as “vis-Major” instead to quote it act of God.l

    mohmood

    August 22, 2008 at 12:46 pm

  30. mohmood,

    You sound slightly deranged mate. Where do you get these ideas about secular culture from? I’m not a theist, but honestly I’ve never once committed any sort of incest. Neither has anyone else I know or have ever met. No, really, it’s true. Also I treat my parents and grandparents with respect, and all of my grandparents have lived in good places surrounded by people who care for them in their old age.

    Lastly, women displayed on “toilet washs”? What are you trying to say? Just calm down, take a deep breath and type slowly. I’ll try to work out what you mean, but I can only go so far before it’s all just gibberish. I’ll assume for the time being that you are refering to the objectification of women. It’s true that this can be a problem in the societies found in Europe and North America. It’s also true that these same societies do not routinely trade women like cattle, or regard them as the sole property of their male relatives or husbands. Therefore I can’t help thinking that there are upsides here too.

    Like I say, calm down, take a breath, and consider before you type. You’ll find that people like you better for it.

    manigen

    August 22, 2008 at 3:09 pm

  31. wtf? so godless society leads to father-daughter incest? and godful society leads to FILs fucking their daughter in laws? and GRE much?
    and english please

    you must have no hesitation to accept that your ancesstry statrs from the period of prophet Noah; which; ancestry was doomed to collective destruction together with other communities of your ancesstry in sanai penusuila duly recorded in history.

    reminded me of Usual Suspects.

    Shashi

    August 22, 2008 at 4:39 pm

  32. mohmood, I have no inclination to accept that my or anyone’s ancestry starts from Noah, for the simple reason that such a person never existed, and is merely a garbled retelling of the Sumerian myths and legends about Gilgamesh.

    Secondly, there’s probably far more incest (especially cousin marriage) occuring in religious societies than in more Western ones.

    Quentin George

    August 22, 2008 at 7:56 pm

  33. mohmood – what I think you’re saying (insofar as your garbled syntax allows) is that only your fear of God prevents you from raping your daughter. I think that says rather more about you than it does about the ‘secular society’ you so dislike.

    Lance

    August 22, 2008 at 7:57 pm

  34. I wish people with religious claims and comments were more articulate in their ability to convey a representation of their ideas. Why is it that on forums and blogs that I visit (obviously anecdotal), atheists seem to express their ideas very articulately and generally seem to be calm and careful in their responses while the particularly religious people seem to post messages that are inarticulate, aggressive and frankly disturbing.

    I am not saying this is always true. I know many many religious people who are very rational and respectful and articulate. However, everything has exceptions. I wish that those on blogs with religious arguments would be more articulate and that they would use language more effectively to convey their ideas. I think this would help foster healthier discussions among those with different beliefs.

    Feel free to disagree but I am not trying to belittle religious ideas and perspectives. I just wish we could discuss them more seriously which is impossible when this fruitcake is nearly impossible to decipher and wants to post incestuous poems and infer that atheists all roll around like pigs in a life of disgusting sin.

    Nathan

    August 22, 2008 at 8:21 pm

  35. What Lance said.

    watercat

    August 23, 2008 at 12:00 am

  36. To anyone else reading who holds with this nonsense that atheism leads to immorality: the day that an atheist flies a 747 into the Kaaba, give me a call and we’ll discuss it.

    Lance

    August 23, 2008 at 12:05 am

  37. Thanks once again for collective abuses. I am a bit deranged thus; need your smpathy of patience. fortunately; Iam not genuis{ASKG IS} as such not akin to madness.you will kindly agree that while discussing ideologies on comparative basis; there; comes no question of abuse when reason and rationale is floated to render the basis of argument. KG{Psuedo name}has repulsed religion and religiousity is not surprisng; neither; something exceptional.”disagreement” is the basis of argument hence;age of critical thinking.one can;t have stagnation neither one could tolerate to be stagnant. yet; required protocol is un-aviodable requirement.KG; has assumed strongest role go rebel first against her family; then society; then; nation; then world of islam; and probably finaly to soul.it is happy choice for her; and those who join her by way of agreing her point is yet another good news for her.with; without and ispite of this distortions are not allowed.Bertrand Rusell was prominent athiest whose argument looks forceful to rebut. He repulsed and objected to all religions including Islam;yet for certain purpose; he also priased the islamic civilization in reffernce to its literature; science; art etc. He never used words like creep donkeyhump; fuck;etc.KG has taken responsibility to go for critical review of Quran and display its scruitny.but to fetch self coined interpretations is nothing but to mislead the athiest community or anyone interested in it.The quran upheld the integrity of woman and rendered her safer social positioning during the time when Arabs used to slaughter their daughters and those marriagable would sell them in open market. Quran; instead regularised the marriage institutions based on consent/acceptance method more akin to social contract.Since; from times women percentage had always outnumbered the men; and; those left without spouse were not left for open market. Quran held that those of men having substantial economic strenght could marry four wives subject to condition that all the four shall recive equal treat emotionallly; socially; economically.Adjusting the women folk this way minimised the chances of pristitution.Similarily; the story of cow related the prophet of Isreal has different quranic meaning and context than extracted by KG.Notwithstanding; any such explanations one has complete choice to agree or disagree with quran” the quran itself says in sura kafroon:”there is no corecien in Din{religion}thus; you to your religion and me to my religion”when; such a sharp distinction subsists in between theist and athiest; where comes the pungent and foul.you had some mistaken impression about my previous post I hold all of you including KG and also those who ventured to abuse my daughter most respected and honest totheir emotional convictions.I generalised to KG that religious society had been for her nothing short of horror. Now the converse of it is availble; the free sex including the Guy marriages.if this is meritorious social set up compared to old conservative set up why one should not feel happier!I never refferd that athiests either preach it or do it. thanks

    mohmood

    August 23, 2008 at 3:27 am

  38. To anyone else reading who holds with this nonsense that atheism leads to immorality: the day that an atheist flies a 747 into the Kaaba, give me a call and we’ll discuss it.

    Part of me says that it’s silly to assume there aren’t crazy atheists out there that would do something like this — it could happen. But another part of me says, the fuck? How often do you read about atheists doing shit like that in the news? Never?

    kafirgirl

    August 23, 2008 at 10:09 am

  39. “and those who join her by way of agreing her point”.

    mohmood, I do not join Kafirgirl. I share her views, but only because her arguments are well articulated and, more importantly, SOUND. Not once have I found her to be misleading or distorting the facts. Each single comment she mades is backed with straight facts. And I might even go so far as to say that they are unbiased facts, taken from reliable sources (including oftentimes Muslim sources). I agree with her, because she agrees with my, and other poster’s, own view of the Qu’ran (as we go on learning about it from her and commenting it) and Islam.

    Does she say cuss words? Yes, she does. I don’t use them… well, one or two now and then, but I don’t mind because, after all, these do not change the message she is taling about at all.

    “to condition that all the four shall recive equal treat emotionallly; socially; economically.” Are you saying that in doing this all women now in the Islam world of marriage age are ensured to be married? Are they? And why there is always a “favorite” wife then? Are they treated equal to whom? To the other wives? To women in general? Because they are not treated equal to men.

    “Adjusting the women folk this way minimised the chances of pristitution.” Unmarried woman = prostitute. Sorry, but this is stupid. It is more so because if, according to you, women outnumbered men and the latter could marry but one of them, leaving three others unmarried, these would have to resort to prostitution for a living, isn’t it? Who then would be their clients? The married men? But, isn’t death the punishment for adultery? Furthermore, can’t women provide for themselves? I see it all the tme, and often they do it better than me themselves. But then again, in a culture that puts downs women and does not allow them to work, or that limits the type of work they can do, women are dependant on men. Why doesn’t Islam, instead of encouraging the submission of women, forcing them to marry men twice or thrice their ages, and/or with other wives, to save them to sell their bodies (according to you) for a living, why doesn’t it encourage men (and women) to find ways and a healthy environment for education and the ability to provide for their own means of living?

    Anyway, I might be defending the wrong team. After all, many Muslim women are OK with all this. Maybe they are more than OK with this. I have just read the following, and doesn’t seem encouraging: Channel 4 announces return of Undercover Mosque (http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/aug/22/channel4.islam?gusrc=rss&feed=uknews)

    Brg

    brg

    August 23, 2008 at 7:44 pm

  40. Respected Brg:thanks for post. I have not yet pointed out the distortions/ misinterpretations made by KG{class of atheists} pertaining to quran.you may also have to maintain the distinction as between individual act and the preaching of ideology.for instance; if Islam prohibits me from drinking; yet; I drink that does not mean what iam doing is either Islam permitted or Islam followed.The world History is clear in this regard. christainity is considred religion of highest acceptance with strict moral codes and other love human-kind teachings. Hitler being christain in faith perpretrated worst cruelty on humanity instead to classify only jews.one is restrained to say that what Hitler did was either permitted in christainity or sanctioned by way of christain religion.when you talk of ideoloy by way of class; you have to make discreet anylisis as between individual acts and ideology teachings.just in this advanced age the athiest movement stresses that religions are not required and the GOD which is unexplainable in phyical lunguage and perception does not stand the test of reason as such being religious myth need not to be followed.But nowhere athiest ideology says that the religious books be shot by gun and display its pictures.please visit your fraternity site AL KAFIR AKBHAR>regarding woman emancipation the quran1400 years ago first laid the foundation that reading and writing to obtain the knowledge for both sex in Islam is fundemantal requirement.However; the free sex permission what is now called dating is not permitted.those who permitted it are now themselves worried as the basic marriage institutions are non eixtent in Europe. if you will trouble visit European TV adds:you will randomly find :Be serious to your relatioship; create family; Keep childern away from parties/drinking.If bigotry books had already warned you of such social consequenses; where is wrong?still you may have better ideas to cherish.for detailed discussion please read: Plogomy in Islam. thanks.

    mohmood

    August 23, 2008 at 11:07 pm

  41. OK, I don’t feel the need to respond to 95% of what you’re writing, mohmood, because it is so off base that it’s not even worth the time. But I do think this is worth discussing. Al Kafir Akbhar’s site is not one that I frequent. There are a lot of things I imagine he and I would disagree on because I’m a bleeding heart leftie and he is, um, not. However we do agree on this: he paid for the book. It belongs to him. If he wants to tear out a page and wipe his shitty ass on it, that’s his right and I support him on it. It’s a book. That he paid for. It belongs to him.

    Get over it.

    kafirgirl

    August 23, 2008 at 11:16 pm

  42. mohmood:

    Are Hitler’s crimes, as atrocious as they were, somehow greater than the 60-80 million Hindus the Muslims slayed? Not to mention all the other victims of aggressive Islamic jihad. Oh wait, I just mentioned them.

    Does Hitler’s renouncing his Catholicism and admiring the the war-like nature of Islam mean he was acting in the example of the role model of Christ?

    If you are a Muslim, shouldn’t you hate the Jews (those who have incurred the wrath of Allah)? Just as the Quran states? Why are you dropping the Hitler Bomb? Wasn’t he working in the Muslim’s interests, too?

    Didn’t Muslims helped Hitler with the Final Solution?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husayni

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/muftihit.html

    All of this being before the creation of Israel.

    Now, I don’t hold you responsible for any of this, but when you drop the Hitler Bomb, you need to know it is a real dud. Hitler was awful and a despot. So is Allah and his messenger Muhammad. The difference is that Hitler was defeated and we moved on — people stopped supporting his cause (for the most part). With Allah, the despot is ever-living as long as Muslims continue to worship him. And stop talking about how Islam honors women. Allah encourages the rape and subjugation of women (and apparently children). Shameful.

    Michael

    August 24, 2008 at 9:15 am

  43. mahmood.. what’s wrong with free sex? rather.. do you PAY for your sex?

    Shashi

    August 24, 2008 at 10:23 am

  44. Shashi, isn’t that basically what mahr boils down to? You give a woman money when you marry her, and then it’s legal for you to have sex with her. And then there are the infamous muta marriages — marriage contracts with an expiration date so you can have short-term sex.

    kafirgirl

    August 24, 2008 at 10:36 am

  45. KG: Isn’t mahr basically the divorce fee? Since a Muslim man can divorce his wife simply by saying he does so, he knows exactly what it will cost him: the mahr. This is yet one more way Islam keeps women in subjugation. They fear being divorced by their husband and having to rely on the initial up-front divorce fee he paid her and also her family for support, if they are willing — after all, if she is divorced she must be dishonorable in some way.

    Michael

    August 24, 2008 at 11:12 am

  46. KG, regarding my ‘747 into the Kaaba’ comment. I wouldn’t say that no atheist would commit such an horrific act, but it is very unlikely that they would do it in the name of atheism, or that their atheism would have inspired them to do it – the same cannot be said for religion.
    At the heart of the Abrahamic religions is the story of the sacrifice of Isaac; the ‘moral’ of this story is that when it comes down to a clash between your personal conscience and the will of God, the Big Guy has the trump card every time. (I’m no expert, but I believe a similar argument is true of Krishna’s advice to Arjuna in the Gita).
    While I’m sure there are just as many defective consciences amongst unbelievers as there are amongst the faithful, the inclusion of religion into someone’s decision-making process can make the quality of their personal conscience irrelevant.
    Unfortunately, in the real world, there is no angel to appear at the last minute to say ‘Only Testing!’ before the plane slams into the building – Isaac’s escape seems to have been a one-off.

    Lance

    August 24, 2008 at 8:32 pm

  47. Lance, well said — and absolutely agreed. I hate to say it but if something like that actually happened, I would be shocked and horrified. When I open up a newspaper and read about this bombing or that murder happening in the name of God…nothing surprises me anymore. It fucking sucks that I can say that, but it’s true.

    kafirgirl

    August 24, 2008 at 8:37 pm

  48. u r teh awsum. keep it up, grl.

    Tommy Boy

    October 23, 2008 at 8:45 pm

  49. When I read that you refuse to pay for any “holy” book I laughed aloud because when I decided to read the bible in order to be a more informed (/argumentative) atheist I literally stole one from church because I didn’t want to support religion. I hid it under my coat when I picked up my little brother from confirmation. Then I went home and tore out the page that said “property of Gloria Dei Lutheran Church” and wrote my name in permanent marker on the inside cover. Best theft ever.

    LOVE the blog… I don’t know as much about Islam as I should. Look, ma, I’m learning!

    elin

    November 6, 2008 at 8:03 pm

  50. From one ex-Muslim to another: EXCELLENT BLOG.

    Sign of Saturn

    November 21, 2008 at 12:58 pm

  51. I just discovered your blog 2 hours ago and have been reading since then… It is amazing and so liberating to see my thoughts and views articulated online. My story is sort of like yours, however, I grew up in Pakistan and came to US couple of years ago…. so the idea of atheism is very new to me…. sometimes I wish I still believed in all this nonsense like the rest of my family but it is too late for me.
    I have read the Quran before; first time when I was 10… and it always struck me as odd that why did allah create jews/christians when he hated them so much. A lot of muslims try to defend islam by saying that it depends on your interpretation of quran. But I think why should anybody in their right mind follow a law that can be interpreted in various ways…

    Thank you once again for the blog…

    Ayesha

    November 26, 2008 at 5:58 pm

  52. Hey there — You’ve been nominated in our blogger awards contest for our favorite female religion blogger. Please shoot me an email at jillian@culture11.com, or just check out the awards page at

    http://www.culture11.com/article/36558

    Jillian Bandes

    January 22, 2009 at 2:37 am

  53. Good gravy, I had no idea that there are different English translations of the Quran. Never. Gave. It. A. Thought. Duh, huh? :o) Thank you for being brave. I will be back often to read!

    Doubting Thomas

    January 24, 2009 at 9:47 am


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