KafirGirl

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Friday already? LOLmuslim time!

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Some links for yous guys to check out if you’re so inclined:

  • A4Atheist is reading the Bible from cover to cover and blogging his way through it.
  • So is Metropotamia.  I think they’re going about it in totally different ways, so it should be way fun to follow along.
  • I got an email from an ex-Muslim named Moiz Khan.  He’s got a blog and a pretty fantastic deconversion story.  Ch-check it.

It’s Ramadan.  And I didn’t really notice.  In fact, I wouldn’t have known at all except a few commenters clued me in right before it started.  Every year, on the first day of Ramadan, I get a call from my parents saying, “Ramadan mubarak!” which loosely translates to “Yay for Ramadan!”  Last year, my answer was, “How do you think it’s going?”  This year?  No call.  I’ve talked to them a couple of times this week, and they haven’t even asked.  I think it’s safe to say the jig is up.

Earlier this year, my parents found out about my tattoos.  My dad was pretty upset.  He got all quiet and didn’t say much throughout dinner.  And then he made some snide remarks and sarcastic jokes about them.  See where I get that shit from?  Anyway, the end result was an email exchange where he said he was disappointed because he thought he raised me a certain way — boo!  hiss! — but he loves me no matter what.  Awesome.  (And about fucking time.)

My mom, incidentally, reacted in kind of a comical way.  “Why would you do that?  Why would anyone do that?”  I told her I plan on getting a sleeve and she said I would look like the devil.  “The devil has tattoos?” I asked, because I can’t help my smartass ways.  Instead of getting mad like I expected her to, my mom told me to shutup.  And then we had a good laugh.

It’s been a hell of a year since the last Ramadan.  And as far as my relationship with my family goes, I only see things getting better from here on out.  In any case, I’m taking that missing phone call as a good sign.

By the way, did you know you’re not supposed to have sexual thoughts while you’re fasting?  I wonder if any Muslims are reading this while fasting.

Ha!  Adam & Steve! They broke your fast!  I’m a bastard.

…hip bones like that could poke a person’s eye out.  Just sayin’.

Coming up next:  chapter 10, Jonah.  No sign of a whale yet, but I’ll keep my eyes peeled.  Stay tuned!

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Written by kafirgirl

September 5, 2008 at 8:02 am

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  1. Ramazan increases the chances of getting followed, hissed out or groped cos Muslims will feel it’s double ok to leer and stuff providing they aren’t sipping a coffee; if someone like me crosses their path.. then i deserve all i get. Add to that the Muslim sense of excitement at the thought of all those dates and cakes for iftar and they can’t contain themselves.
    Case in point, i am covered from up, it’s plus 45 and i run to the shop which is just 2 mins away. A cruising car’s driver is staring at me. Inside the little supermarket itself a local picks up a can of ghee he obviously doesn’t want and mutters something as he tries to smile, only he looks like a wolf and i step back in disgust.
    And this is the first Friday of Ramazan and that’s 2 hits on me in less than 5 minutes!
    Muslims hate Ramazan, it’s done resentfully in truth, fights break out, and Muslims see it as giving free licence to be rude.
    About that pic, it’s a bit like Muslim society, male centered and homo erotic. The muslim mind can not think much else, in essence, it is sex and food and Ramazan simply exacbertaes their neuroses.

    jasminefrompakistan

    September 5, 2008 at 8:30 am

  2. Kg, tattoos (washiim) are forbidden in Islam.

    jasminefrompakistan

    September 5, 2008 at 8:32 am

  3. Jasmine, I know they are. Shouldn’t affect me any as an atheist. And my parents may not like it, but they’re pretty much over it.

    kafirgirl

    September 5, 2008 at 8:45 am

  4. that’s true, u know i do tend to say sort of ‘muslim sounding’ attitudes sometimes i guess.

    jasminefrompakistan

    September 5, 2008 at 9:05 am

  5. It’s funny because even though I’d wanted tattoos ever since I turned 18, I waited till I turned 25 to get started. I had sort of a Pascal’s Wager in my own head about how it was better to be safe than sorry. Ahhhhh youth.

    kafirgirl

    September 5, 2008 at 9:10 am

  6. i think i’ll stick with mehndi for now, i am really into that

    jasminefrompakistan

    September 5, 2008 at 9:11 am

  7. u know i was thinking kg, u don’t have to crash on ahead with the Qu’ranic stuff ure blogs got a loyal following, why don’t u broaden out into other stuff? I mean, why impose a artifical time limit on completing the Qu’ranic review?

    jasminefrompakistan

    September 5, 2008 at 9:16 am

  8. Jasmine, that one’s easy — because I hate reading the fucking thing. It seriously ruins my day and I get all depressed. I was totally not joking about walking around frowning and becoming more and more misanthropic. The sooner I finish this thing, the better!

    kafirgirl

    September 5, 2008 at 9:20 am

  9. Ok, everyone, me book, “Jasmine’s Veiil,” when it gets made into a movie, what’s the theme music?
    Ok cos u dunno so i will tell….. “Early Winter,” by Gwen Stefani.
    Now someone once told me like this, “Jaz, when will u stop teling bad about the Muslims and Pakistan etc.”
    Very simple, we can stop it right now.
    Huh, but here’s the deal…… i WANT me husband returned from NWFP with her UK passport and sent home to UK and no one bothers us ever again and we just live in London like normal people.
    But they don’t want.
    I WANT me friend returned, that’s all i want, very very simple.

    jasminefrompakistan

    September 5, 2008 at 9:26 am

  10. i just think u need to integrate it with other stuff and not go at such breakneck speed maybe.

    jasminefrompakistan

    September 5, 2008 at 9:27 am

  11. KG, on the tats I’m with your mom “Why would you do that? Why would anyone do that?” There is no value in tattoos and the whole tribalism idea is just another religious type idea.

    You ever seen a grandma with her faded sagging tats, nasty, nasty and cheap looking.

    Sorry, felt compelled to throw my $0.02 at you.

    GAD

    September 5, 2008 at 11:21 am

  12. I disagree. I think it’s art, a thing of beauty, and certainly not for everyone. I don’t see it as a tribalism thing, either. It was a right of passage for many tribes, yes, but it’s no different than piercing your ears these days (also a right of passage for many tribes, btw). And, for the record, when I see grandma with her “faded sagging tats,” I think, “Man, she lived.”

    And to preempt anyone who’s going to jump in to say, “Blah blah blah, you won’t be able to get a job,” I work in a creative industry. Nobody gives a shit.

    It’s a matter of personal taste. If you don’t like em, don’t get em. I’m married to a guy who’s getting a full body suit — it’s no big secret where I stand on the matter.

    Edit to add: And another thing, I seriously can’t believe anyone would compare tattoos with religion. A) Tattoos don’t hurt anyone, B) nobody forces tattoos on you, C) my tattoos — my body — doesn’t infringe upon your rights. You can compare religion to everything you don’t find personally appealing, but when it comes down to it, religion is religion. That my 2 cents. No offense, dude, but that was seriously retarded.

    kafirgirl

    September 5, 2008 at 11:39 am

  13. No offense, but not seriously retarded either. Apologies.

    GAD

    September 5, 2008 at 12:24 pm

  14. I see it as a statement of individuality and personal choice and for a woman in particular there’s something else, a statement of autonomy over her own body. She’s also saying, “fuck u i won’t do what u tell me,” and not allowing others to define her own standards of body beauty.
    Now do some take it too far, yes, of course, but i sort of feel kg’s tattoos are probably elegant.
    Me, if i was going to do it….. i would have a sun tatoo…. on my ass, seriously.

    jasminefrompakistan

    September 5, 2008 at 12:42 pm

  15. a full body suit?
    sorry, i missed that bit. Kg, huh, i think we gotta talk like u know……….

    jasminefrompakistan

    September 5, 2008 at 12:44 pm

  16. i always wanted to get a tatto.. but once u get one, you cannot donate blood. that’s the primary reason i havent got one yet..

    Shashi

    September 5, 2008 at 5:26 pm

  17. Tats are cool. I’ve been thinking of getting inked for years now. AND I know exactly what I’d get. But between kid and work and play, I haven’t had the time to prep for the pain.

    Funny story, if you don’t mind. Years ago, when I was in college, getting tattooed was all the rage. Everyone was getting them- the girls all got daisy chains on their ankles, the boys all got those pointy tribal things. I wanted the wallpaper from the haunted mansion at Disneyland- you know, the ones with the eyes? Well, I was about to go get it, and then I thought- well, what if I grow out of Disneyland and don’t like the design any more?

    I didn’t get the tattoo.

    Now, here we are, twenty years later, I’ve been to ALL the Disney parks and the mansion is still my favorite ride on the planet.

    gah.

    I have December off. I think I will get it done then.

    Steve

    September 5, 2008 at 5:26 pm

  18. Shashi, that’s a myth. If you get a tattoo in a state where they have safety regulations (sterile needles, etc), your blood is welcome. If you get it in a state where they don’t have safety regulations, you have to wait 12 months. http://www.redcross.org/services/biomed/0,1082,0_557_,00.html#tat

    Steve, I know good and well about those tribal bands. Ugh. I remember even back then thinking it was a bad choice. Your idea sounds pretty awesome. Good luck!

    kafirgirl

    September 5, 2008 at 5:33 pm

  19. Even in non-creative industries, a tattoo isn’t an instant “ZOMG nobody will hire you!!!” anymore. I was hired at a call center last month and one of our managers has giant holes in his ears (they kind they put metal “tunnels” in), a spike through his nose, and a lip piercing, and a tattoo on his neck… and those are just the ones I know about… O.o

    At least one of my fellow new-hires is tattooed as well, and has a nose piercing.

    Chicken Girl

    September 5, 2008 at 6:49 pm

  20. one of our managers has giant holes in his ears (they kind they put metal “tunnels” in), a spike through his nose, and a lip piercing, and a tattoo on his neck… and those are just the ones I know about… O.o

    That sounds like my old office-mate! Is he anal-retentive and does he hate anything that isn’t at right-angles? If so, it just might be him! I used to arrange my desk/monitor/etc at odd angles just to creep him out.

    Michael

    September 5, 2008 at 7:22 pm

  21. I have a nose piercing too, and way back when I had a lip piercing as well, I had no problems finding a job. Incidentally, my husband has those giant holes in his ears too (they’re called plugs), and he’s never had a problem finding a job. Plus it freaks out old people, which is an added bonus for me.

    kafirgirl

    September 5, 2008 at 7:27 pm

  22. Sometimes i wonder if believers think tattoos stay with you in the afterlife.

    Tribal bands are silly, overplayed and just annoying unless you’re REALLY in a fucking TRIBE!! Although i wanted to get a sleeve some time ago, or do my whole back, i had to reconsider. Tattoos were something that people used to set themselves apart, but now everyone has one with some meaningless shit or another. Since i don’t really have anything that means that much to me to keep on my body for the rest of my natural life, i’ll stand out by not having one. But i’ll be damned if i’m getting ink as an idiotic form of fashion statement like most people do.

    Fasting is the most ridiculous exercise of religious bullshit that one person can inflict upon oneself [at least out of the common ones]. Like a celestial deity gives a fuck if you have an onion ring before ‘Jeopardy’. The same god[s] that allow starvation in all corners of the planet should be more concerned with more important shit says me.

    And for Jasmine: Try ‘Antistar’ by Massive Attack. The buildup is wonderful, and it’s cinematic as can be…

    Priest

    September 5, 2008 at 7:50 pm

  23. Priest, I’m not 100% on this, but I’ve heard that Muslims believe your body in the afterlife is exactly as it was when you died. Which is why they bury you ASAP and don’t really do autopsies. That’s just what I was taught — not sure if that has any basis in reality. Emmy, Jasmine, maybe you know better than me?

    P.S. This is a bit gruesome, but I remember it from when I was a kid. A young guy from my grandma’s neighborhood in Karachi was murdered (something about him being a member of a certain political party & it happened a lot). His murderers chopped him up into little pieces, put him in garbage bags and tossed them all over the city. His family was pretty distraught because how the hell was he going to come back in the afterlife, so a generous doctor donated his time to, erm, Frankenstein the guy back together. My grandmother and father knew the doctor somehow. Weird, right?

    kafirgirl

    September 5, 2008 at 9:03 pm

  24. That was just my sarcasm regarding the afterworld/tattoo question, but holy shit, that was pretty damn interesting. This begs the question asked of Christian apologists regarding the rapture: what about people that are burned, eaten by sharks or buried at sea? That is pretty weird that they tried to put humpty dumpty together again. Still not sure how i couldn’t have seen that one coming.

    Priest

    September 5, 2008 at 9:10 pm

  25. Hey Kafirgirl,

    Interesting blog. I’m a non-Muslim, but about a decade or so ago I did some heavy research on Islam just because I had a curiosity about it. I have about three Qur`ans and a copy of Sahih al-Bukhari knocking about somewhere still. Bukhari is quite a hilarious read, if you wanna get around to that when you get through the Qur`an.

    At least this worked so that if I have anything to say about Islam, I can say that my knowledge of it is pre-9/11, since more or less every Islam critic on the Web these days has a 9/11-sized chip on their shoulder. It was quite funny to come out with things about Islam that my Muslim friends had no clue about. For instance, did you know that it is forbidden for Muslims to yawn? :)

    You can check these out:

    -http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/world/stories/DN-pakistanside_31int.ART.State.Edition1.4da6414.html
    -http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1051073/Caught-camera-Hidden-British-mosque-female-preachers-urge-Muslims-kill-non-believers.html#

    Helper

    September 5, 2008 at 9:22 pm

  26. Priest, the same thing goes in in Judaism. Whenever a bomb goes off in some Tel Aviv cafe or something, there are some specialised Israeli squads who go around trying to pick up every fragment of skin, bones and all of that so that anyone who got killed in the bomb can have a ‘complete’ burial, since apparently Jews are pretty fanatical about being buried ‘whole’ for the afterlife. If you’ve seen the movie ‘Very Bad Things’ (which is about how some frat guys try to cover up an accidental stripper murder), you’ll see how that logic is employed when it comes to burial.

    I haven’t come across anything similar like that in Islam, but I suppose there’ll be some principle somewhere about it. Aside from chopping up bodies, Muslims are forbidden from mutilating dead bodies too, but it goes on…

    Helper

    September 5, 2008 at 9:33 pm

  27. Helper, now that you mention that i do remember a situation we had at work a few months ago in which an Orthodox Jewish guy was hit by a train. i’m not sure if it was suicide or not, but the rabbi kept requesting that railroad police pick up the last chunks left behind that the coroner didn’t bother to touch. The officer that went out told me he found about less than a half a pound of vittles, but he wasn’t too happy about it. I wasn’t familiar with that aspect of orthodox judaism, nor am i sure that applies exclusively to that branch of judaism.

    As for mutilation, they can always do what the guys in KG’s story did: cherry pick and do what they wish. That’s the angle for all religious folk.

    Priest

    September 5, 2008 at 10:41 pm

  28. As I was reading your post and saw that pic, I thought you were gonna compare your parents’ reactions to the reactions of a gay guy/girl’s parents when he/she comes out to them. Good to hear that things are gonna get better for you.

    And yeah moderates are stupid liars and hypocrites in denial. That’s why I always support the Westboro Baptist’s Church’s arguments. They’re honest and to-the-point, I give them thatm\, while these moderate Christians make no sense when they say God loves all, but fags will burn.

    gay ex-extremist-fundie

    September 6, 2008 at 9:04 am

  29. Hardly surprising that you are in a creative industry, you belong there KG.
    Also, how on earth did they come to know about tattoos back then, surprises me a little.
    Did you know that supposedly even dyeing your hair black and playing games with dice is disallowed, weird how choosy God is.

    Another Kafir

    September 6, 2008 at 9:56 am

  30. AK, some people go so far as to say that plucking your eyebrows is not allowed. Teehee! God is sooooo concerned with our bodies, huh?

    About the tattoos, erm, they’re on my wrists. My parents visited in June, and I was planning on covering them up with makeup just so I didn’t stir the pot. But at the very last minute I decided that it’s stupid to have to hide who I am from the people who brought me in this world, nekkid as a jaybird. So I left them. And sure enough, they noticed them. Honestly, I’m glad they did. I feel closer to them because of it. And I feel like maybe we could even discuss the whole atheist thing at some point if it comes up.

    kafirgirl

    September 6, 2008 at 11:26 am

  31. Hi gay ex-extremist — sorry, I changed that last word in your name. I have pretty shitty memories of being called that when I was younger and it kind of gives me heartburn just seeing that word. I really hope you don’t mind.

    I wouldn’t say I support anything Westboro Baptist does, but I do think they can find basis for their crap in their stupid little book. I guess moderates all around need to wake up the fuck up, huh?

    What’s your story? I’m guessing by your name that you’re a gay ex-Muslim, but I don’t want to assume. Feel free to share!

    kafirgirl

    September 6, 2008 at 11:32 am

  32. Hooray- hurrahhh- hoooorayyy-huraaaahh, I’m not the only queer ex muslim here now.. hoooraayyy – huraaahhh

    jasminefrompakistan

    September 6, 2008 at 11:44 am

  33. tatoos, i think it’s no way in Islam cos it’s a Christian thing in the Arab world. But me own understanding is that it’s same reason why Islam is against sex change ops (despite what Khomeini may have said), that it’s interfering with allah’s design.
    Huh, so do me highlights, the pill and contact lenses.

    jasminefrompakistan

    September 6, 2008 at 11:47 am

  34. Anyone here ever heard of a group called ‘God hates fags,’ seriously that’s their name and they are just sick, led by this horrible creepy old guy. When Mathew Shephard got murdered years back they turned out to protest at the boys funeral right infront of the family, evil, it’s just evil and they seem to rejoice in their sadism.
    I would just ban people like that, really i would

    jasminefrompakistan

    September 6, 2008 at 11:54 am

  35. JasFromPak, yeah, those ‘God Hates Fags’ people are “officially” known as “Westboro Baptist Church”, who GayExtremist is talking about.

    By the way, when it comes to deviant sexual practices, I just can’t get past Muhummad’s marriage to Aisha. Just about everything else I can understand in some weird and twisted fucked-up way and blame it on the “morality of the times” or whatever, but the fact that Muhummad was attracted to 7-year-old Aisha after he saw her play with her dolls is just plain… fill in the blanks.

    Helper

    September 6, 2008 at 12:03 pm

  36. But me own understanding is that it’s same reason why Islam is against sex change ops (despite what Khomeini may have said), that it’s interfering with allah’s design.
    Huh, so do me highlights, the pill and contact lenses.

    And circumcision!

    kafirgirl

    September 6, 2008 at 12:10 pm

  37. Plucking eyebrows one is not a casual one, apparently Islam is very specific, only the eyebrow hair is not allowed to be plucked.. the facial hair apart from that is allowed, if beautifying for husband.. we can actually go on and on… some of the prohibitions are just absurd.. you can find some things here http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/books/10 and this is an islamic site.

    Another Kafir

    September 6, 2008 at 12:16 pm

  38. Really, it’s the same group, i must have realized it subconsciously then i guess.
    U want to understand Aisha….. think Rasputin, Jim Jones, Solar Temple, David Quresh etc etc, these religious guys are into sex and to get to womens’ bodies they control our minds- FIRST. It’s always been the way.This is theocratic patriarchy in action.

    Kg, u know what u told about Karachi…. that brings back tense memories, not only of the time i was there in person (i was in Orangi Town, Gulbarga and Madina Colony being moved around continously cos the embassy was trying to track me down after i finally got hold of a mobile phone), but of some bad bad bad family stuff. That political party u sort of alluded to, yes, me dad’s side was active. I lost two uncles, murdered in cold blood in Hyderabad by the Rangers just cos we’re u know of our ethnic background and stuff.

    jasminefrompakistan

    September 6, 2008 at 12:20 pm

  39. I hate how complaining I sound when i ask, why does god concern himself with people’s orientations, why can’t he let them be. The fact that god made people gay and lesbian from birth (yes, he did), is proof enough to say that the famed God of these religions is wrong. This is assuming there exists a dude, and assuming creation.

    Another Kafir

    September 6, 2008 at 12:24 pm

  40. Crusty old men don’t like gay guys and thusly neither does God… SNAAAAAAAP

    jasminefrompakistan

    September 6, 2008 at 12:29 pm

  41. Crusty old men like nothing.. except religion. Suckers!

    Another Kafir

    September 6, 2008 at 12:32 pm

  42. “The fact that god made people gay and lesbian from birth (yes, he did), is proof enough to say that the famed God of these religions is wrong”

    They have a rationale for this. God loves gays same as anyone else, what he hates in sex outside of marriage, and marriage it is decided is between a man and a woman. So all gays can go to heaven as long as they never have sex. That may seem cruel but the rationale there is that it is a test and god never tests you beyond what you can do. So gays who fail choose to fail, and those who don’t are really special as Paul said the best way to god is to never have sex. Of course this is all stated by men and women who can have sex and get married, so how easy it is for them to say.

    GAD

    September 6, 2008 at 12:50 pm

  43. Gad, oh i totally relate to this selfish doublethink cos as me own experience shows, i was free to do just about anything with me friend (huh…. as if people didn’t know, yeah, right). Our mistake was not just getting caught, it was being HONEST. U must never do that under Pakistani don’t ask-don’t tell. See, how can i put it… to be serious girlish friends is ok, to be queer on the other hand, don’t ask- just means don’t speak (or we beat ure head in and deport u to Pakistan itself).
    Silence is the name of the game.
    If u can live a lie.

    jasminefrompakistan

    September 6, 2008 at 1:25 pm

  44. Another, me and me friend, she’s me husband, that’s what people don’t understand, she’s ME HUSBAND and she got taken from me.
    I want me husband back, she’s me family, she’s all i got, THEY RIPPED ME LIFE APART and i can’t go on with Parveen, 7 years together in the prison camp and now this?
    I WANT ME FRIEND RETURNED FROM D.I KHAN- NOW

    jasminefrompakistan

    September 6, 2008 at 1:28 pm

  45. Helper, Massive Attack’s Anti Star, that’s when i am walking through Karachi smashed out me head and trying to get a taxi to the British Consulate only i am so confused i can’t get it together. i blow me one chance to get away and they are already pushing through the crowds to take me back ‘home’.

    jasminefrompakistan

    September 6, 2008 at 1:40 pm

  46. hey KG, yeah that’s right i am a gay guy, and an ex-muslim. raised by moderate muslim parents but after reading the Quran and Hadith found their version of Islam was not the ‘true’ (read: Wahhabi literal puritanical) version. It didnt help that i was in my teens and hormones were kicking and i needed something to explain why i never had a girlfriend :D (mostly to convince myself rather than others, since i was extremely guilty and deeply in denial of my sexuality because of the repressive upbringing). It didnt help that i made some fundie friends and was at that age when we love to rebel and seek attention. Being a fundie Muslim meant I could do all that, within the confines of Islam. Anyway after two years of obeying Allah’s law, I ran into some bad luck. Naturally I turned to Him who Listens, prayed my heart out, but no fucking change in my situation. Thats when I started to doubt. I then started to see others who never read the Quran or prayed the 5 salat, happy and doing well. Why should these ‘sinners’ be happy, when I, an obedient Muslim, the chosen of God, have to go through shit? yeah its a ‘Test from God’ but I really felt He was unfair to me. I guess the superiority complex Islam gives to its adherents backfired. Anyway it really was hard to give up my Imaginary Friend but I battled with faith, got interested in philosophy. Familiarised myself with the ideas of Nietzche and Russell. Then came the gentle Sagan, whose lessons in science demolished the ridiculous islamic cosmology i believed in, and instilled in me a sense of wonder for everything around us. But it was evolution that dealt the final blow. Here was an idea that blasted the argument from design. I wish it had been taught at school, could have saved me from that fundie phase. Ofcourse then came the three prophets of atheism, dawkins, hitchens and harris, with their holy books. The God Delusion beautifully linked all those ideas that were previously jumbled in my head. My new-found atheism also allowed me to do stuff that i had given up for Islam, like listening to music and figure drawing. It also brought me in touch with my gay side which i had deeply buried when I had my first crush in grade school. Thanks to internet forums, it didnt take a long time to find support and be a proud queer guy. So unlike what most Muslims who read this would think, I didnt leave Islam because I wanted to fuck men. I left it coz God doesnt keep hs promises and coz religion is just nonsense invented by men to cope with their fears. And since I had already given up Islam before I even knew I was gay, I never had to go through the hell gay muslims have to go through to reconcile faith and sexuality. It also meant I didnt listen to that moderate crap about ‘you can be gay and still be Muslim’. I avoided all those silly ‘Queer Muslim’ support groups. I really dont care much for Irshad Manji or Tariq ramadan or reza aslan, though I find the latter cute :D. Moderates are like antibiotics. Their job is to exterminate the fundies, after that, I am sorry to say, their work is not needed. They’ll only have side effects and lead to extremist ‘resistance’. (ok that metaphor got outta hand) Rather I tend to adore ppl like Hirsi Ali and Wafa Sultan. Anyway eventhough there’s no God and no afterlife, I am more happier coz it’s made me a better person. I no longer am fatalistic, I dont rejoice at 9/11 now or other such tragedies, i dont believe in killing out-and-open gays just coz i hate them at some level since they’re living the life i wanna live, i have come to terms with my sexuality, i can touch puppies, carl sagan has interested me in astronomy and the possiblity of life out there, no more fear of jinns/death/barzakh/Hell, i appreciate how I lucky that I am here, I appreciate nature more (i dont just say God is great and end it there), I’ve read a lot and learnt so much that otherwise I would never have thought of learning, I can look at guys without feeling guilty afterwards… Anyway thats basically it. heh. Oh and i dont mind that lil name change. And I agree with you in that I dont support WBC’s actions.

    @Jasmine, yeah sad how religion spoils ppl. when i see Shirley Phelps arguing on TV shows it just makes me sad. what a waste of a human life. She’s smart and articulate and if not for the Bible she’d probably be some successful lawyer somewhere instead of picketing dead soldier’s funerals. unlike my friends who always boo and hiss when I sympathesise with her, i can’t bring myself to hate her, coz i see her as a victim of that evil Book, and maybe coz i see myself in her. (yeah i too used to rejoice when Jews and gays died. but now i’m a big fan of Dana International. amazing how giving up religion can transform ppl).

    gay ex-extremist-fundie

    September 6, 2008 at 1:40 pm

  47. Der Untergang trailer

    jasminefrompakistan

    September 6, 2008 at 1:41 pm

  48. We got a lot of similarities u and me fundie cos its Sagan who put it into perspective for me and so did astrononmy. I had a telescope and used to stand on the camp roof with dad looking at the stars. And then i had this like experience in Medina Manuwaraa, standing outside the masjid al nawabi with a broken arm, like the cosmos sort of spoke to me and i saw Islam for the tiny thing it is. That was me mystical experience. Like u, i didn’t leave Islam cos i was queer, on the contrary, as a queer hijabi i could have survived for years and years, as millions do (without labeling themselves of course).
    Are u Pakistani…. just out of interest?

    jasminefrompakistan

    September 6, 2008 at 1:47 pm

  49. Dana, that’s like 1997, the Israeli TS. Excellent.

    jasminefrompakistan

    September 6, 2008 at 1:48 pm

  50. hi J, not Pakistani, but South Asian. :-) Nice to know we have some stuff in common.

    gay ex-extremist-fundie

    September 6, 2008 at 3:31 pm

  51. Gay Extremist, Shirley Phelps-Roper IS a lawyer. :)

    Goes to show how religion can screw up otherwise intelligent minds. I’ve seen those GHF people on TV though, and I used to laugh out of pity for them even when I was religious. Why? Because their whole shtick is based on whether their opponent is a “fag”. If he is, that’s it. End of. No further discussion. Even if you aren’t a fag, you’re probably a “fag-enabler” (supporter of fags). You just can’t win with those idiots, they disagree with everyone who don’t think exactly the way they do.

    Hey, isn’t that true of all religions, more or less? Why, yes it is! ;)

    Helper

    September 6, 2008 at 6:30 pm

  52. Wow Gay Ex, what a sad and wonderful and inspiring story. I have nothing but the upmost respect for gay ex-Muslims because it’s hard enough to be an apostate without having the added stigma of also being “different.” I do know a couple of gay Muslims, and it’s like you say — they struggle to somehow make it fit within the religion. Which makes no goddamn sense to me since “it” — their sexuality — is such a deep part of who they are. It’s more a part of them than religion, for crying out loud. It must be some balancing act.

    kafirgirl

    September 7, 2008 at 12:26 am

  53. hi everyone, another evening of fun, chat, computer play and frienship

    jasminefrompakistan

    September 7, 2008 at 12:54 pm

  54. Hey Jasmine, glad you liked Antistar. And KG, hope you’re not hating on the hip bones, mine look like that!

    Priest

    September 7, 2008 at 9:20 pm

  55. Hating? Try lusting, buddy. I’m going to hell fo’ sho’.

    kafirgirl

    September 7, 2008 at 9:22 pm

  56. Update on the Jewel of Medina thing, just in case you’re following that story:

    “That form of cowardice will only lead to more and more of this form of self-censorship and is an attack on the integrity of literary publication,” Langum continued. “We must stand up to it, in whatever ways are available to us. The form that was available to our small foundation was to put Random House out of the running for our prizes.”

    Ku-fucking-dos.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2008/aug/29/random.house.sherry.jones.langum.prize

    kafirgirl

    September 8, 2008 at 5:56 pm

  57. Random House is too busy sucking Mo-balls to notice this, but at least the Langum Charitable Trust has honor and dignity.

    Michael

    September 8, 2008 at 8:28 pm

  58. Eh, I’m not holding out great hope for that book, considering this is an excerpt….

    “”The novel, for example, includes a scene on the night when Muhammad consummated his marriage with Aisha: “the pain of consummation soon melted away. Muhammad was so gentle. I hardly felt the scorpion’s sting. To be in his arms, skin to skin, was the bliss I had longed for all my life.”

    Paedophilia is so romantic.

    Quentin George

    September 9, 2008 at 4:29 am

  59. Oh it sounds terrible. But they did pay $100k upfront for it, so they thought it was good. I think whoever does end up publishing that book is going to make a buttload of money just off of the controversy, regardless of whether the book is great or not.

    P.S. In the book, apparently she makes Aisha older than 9. I can’t remember exactly how old, but I vaguely remember 15. Don’t quote me on that. …still nasty.

    kafirgirl

    September 9, 2008 at 7:42 am

  60. That books sounds rubbish

    jasminefrompakistan

    September 9, 2008 at 11:23 am

  61. Aisha was made to be 14 years old in the book.

    az

    September 9, 2008 at 12:56 pm

  62. Wow, a fourteen year old in bed with a middle-aged man? That sounds perfectly acceptable….

    Quentin George

    September 9, 2008 at 5:16 pm

  63. All I have to say: what a picture!

    ggrrrrrrrrrr

    Rick

    September 12, 2008 at 5:04 pm

  64. nice to meet all of you. there are lots of kafirs in a place. please take greatings from my hearts! visit http://www.mukto-mona.com. a site for south asian freethinking zone. hope you will please to visit.

    Ananta

    November 28, 2008 at 5:41 am


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